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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Mar 3, 2007 3:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Non dead

We interupt this forum to announce an anti-jihadi fatwah declared by the "People's Anti-Islamic Martyr Brigade"...

Take a peak at the front page of archive.org when you get a chance. I am welcoming the diverse views or our Jihadi brothers whenever possible. I reviewed a bunch of items, you can find them here...

http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=subject:%22jihad%22

You may be amazed at the amount of beheadings and IED footage and rhetoric but that is just the tip of the iceberg... now back to your regularily schedule GROK about 1973.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Mar 4, 2007 11:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

My 2 cents? Well, I'm not gonna bash you for posting something you obviously feel very strongly about. And, yes, I agree that this issue is of immense importance to the entire world. Do I see "them" as the clear bad guys and "us" as the clear good guys? No way in hell. Yes, their methods strike us at times as barbaric, but consider that they see themselves as fighting not only for their land, but also for their whole relegion and way of life. If someone invaded the US and took over, imposing a foreign form of government (not saying right or wrong here); to what extremes would you go to fight against them? OK, maybe you wouldn't behead anyone, but you'd damn sure fight like hell in anyway you could. I may not agree with their methods, but I sure as hell can see where they are coming from. Hell, we did the same thing 230 years ago. If we don't find a way to coexist with the Muslim world, we'll all end up killing each other because sooner or later Iran won't be the only one with nukes.

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Poster: darkstar1964 Date: Mar 4, 2007 3:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

their religion IS NOT under attack. in fact we do everthing we can to kiss their ass. the new iraqi gov. is muslim. their numbers world wide are increasing. mosque construction is way up while catholic churches and what have you are not being built. their population in places like france and the netherlands are multplying. what am i missing?............and if you read history muhammad was a terrorist! he attacked all his neigbors........and so it began.Peace is not part of that religion...sorry.it never has been...EVER....& i doubt it ever will.

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Poster: darkstar1964 Date: Mar 5, 2007 7:56am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

hey ,i dont know everything! tell me... when...and what year did america attack or go on a crusade against islam? i cant recall.

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Poster: SDH2O Date: Mar 5, 2007 7:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

You're right. No one has ever been killed in the name of Christianity.

And I don't care if it happend a few hundred years ago. If someone came to my land and killed a large number of my people because their book said it was their "Holy Land" and we were heathens, I don't thing I'd forget that too easily.

This post was modified by SomeDarkHollow on 2007-03-05 15:02:23

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Poster: tree-ap Date: Mar 5, 2007 8:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter...

SDH, you said it pretty clearly...

c-c-c-can't w-we all just...get along?

Nothing but LOVE to you ALL!!!

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Mar 5, 2007 8:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

Christians killed plenty of people and did attack islam... a thousand years ago. They were europeans, are we to blame? I guess so, just as I am personally responsible for giving native americans polio blankets and enslaving black people. I also want to apologize for killing the wooly mammoth and forcing Al Gore to use carbon credits. I also want to apologize to the other organisms along the way that I was not evolved and civilized enough to invent a time machine and go back and save in an ark during a flood.

The IRA were the last Christian terrorist and they retired. There are no priests or pastors I know of standing on pulpits in the civilized world preaching submission to islam or death. There are thousands doing so in the muslim world. Not all muslims are terrorists, but how many terrorists are muslim? Come on, if I can bash priests for being pedophiles without anyone doing anything other than cracking a smile, why is it so wrong to call a kettle black? If it quacks like a duck, put it in an orange jump suit and decaptitate it on video and send it to Al Jazeera. Freedom fighters? Killing people who vote? Killing school children because we did horrible things like allow the girls to go? Freedom from what, freedom itself?

When we leave, we let the people govern themselves... these folks don't seem to get that, or they are afraid that their extremist and violent ideology may not bring out the vote on election day. In that case, their voice is not representative of the majority (HOPEFULLY). Everyone else in the world seems to be able to get along with other religions.

Judaism and Christianity, no beheadings!
Judaism and Hinduism, Buddhism, Shintoism, no beheadings!
Christianity and Hindu, Buddhism, etc.. No beheadings!

Islam and ________ fill in the blanks. BEHEADINGS.

Now if we strictly use decapitation as a litmus test of the ability to interact with and get along with other religions, there seems to be clear evidence that ISLAM is not combatible with any other religion and the following other ideological and/or political belief systems:

Democracy- Most of us can agree on this one right? Even the Chinese! The Cubans and North Koreans might not, would anyone like to live there? I'll buy the plane ticket.

Communism- Chechnyan jihadis and Spetnaz troops just can't chill at the same kegger. The chinese don't talk about those little pesky islamic provinces that the largest totalitarian government cannot silence. More to come from there soon I imagine.

Socialism- well you never know. I would not put it past France to somehow embrace their murderers, they do it every so often.

Atheist- Well not as hated as polytheists, I am sure mujahadeen don't like anyone who flat out refuses to bow down to anyone, especially 5 times in a certain direction with a magic carpet and lots of body odor... I just get that from the pictures but I could be wrong. I wonder if any farts when they bend over like that?

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Poster: tree-ap Date: Mar 5, 2007 10:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

My apologies to Rodney King for NOT crediting him on his "can't we all just--get along" quote.

TTG, you're right, and then, you're not... Like most of us & the points we make, some points are easily validated & justified, and others are just as easily countered with another point. Islam in ALL it's forms---just like Christianity--should be allowed, as long as innocents are NOT being injured. You're right,children SHOULD NOT be subjected to the whims of pedophiles, and NO ONE should be persecuted or killed because they're NOT Muslim---I think on this we ALL agree!?!? BUT (but stinks, doesn't it), their point of view SHOULD be allowed on this, and any other forum, just as the Constitution promises it should be.
Our CURRENT involement in the Middle East is based on LIES & misrepresentations (to put it mildly). And, (here's what SO MANY "conservatives" would like you to believe)they don't hate us because we're "free". They hate us because all it seems America wants to do is make the rest of the world like America. If Afganistan, Iraq, Iran, Somalia, Cuba, or Canada "invaded" the US to bring down OUR dictator, we might be fighting them, don't you think? AND, wouldn't some of America's extremist groups use it as an oppotunity to cause even more havoc? Wouldn't there be more abortion clinic bombings, murders over race & sexual orientation, etc? Another David Koresh maybe? One who actually wages war against our "government" and other citizens in the US who they might feel are not worthy of their own life---for whatever reason? How about another "Christian" who bombs another government building in Oklahoma City, or Dallas, or Boston, or DC, or even your hometown?
Complex problems need even more complex solutions, but as we know, NO solution is perfect. How about this---maybe if we'd NOT gone to war in Iraq & spent EVERY DIME on say, solar panels & wind mills, that maybe we'd be a lot further along to our energy independence? Maybe our war for oil wouldn't be necessary. And yes, energy independence IS homeland security, and oil is ultimately what we're there for. I can't believe that so many believe the BS that we're there "fighting for freedom".
Anyway, there are a million other things would could've & should've done with the now hundred's of billions wasted this unwinable "war on terror", solar panels & wind mills were just one example.
There are plenty of other points to make, but I'll only make one more. I agree with you, we should fight radical Islam, but ONLY on our own soil, and only when attacked on it. Let's support the troops by bringing them home & having then HERE to secure our homeland.

I send my LOVE to...EVERYONE!!!

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Mar 5, 2007 12:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

You have some good points but let's look at the facts:

1. As much as you want to believe it is not true. Our president was elected. I saw it, it happened, no bullshit. So he is not a dicktater.

2. I never mentioned outlawing Islam. As I said we have more mosques, temples, synogogues and churches in the same areas than anyone I am sure. All religions are or were or have potential to be violent. I don't follow any of them and as a matter of fact the right wing religious elite are the ones who make it harder for me to debate things because of their ridicules all or nothing ideology.

3. That whole illegal war thing only works at rallies with susan surrandon and tim robbins. I'll let you post the proof on here in the next 48 hours to back up your position and then you can concede that you have no proof and we can skip this topic.

I forgot what the other points were and I wish it was that easy just to pull troops out. But you and I know that is not going to happen and would not be good for those people that did vote with the purple thumbs and the Kurds who have not blown up anything since we have been there. No one mentions that. Anyway, have a great weekend I am experimenting with psychtoropical remedies at the moment and am unable to construct coherent sentences without little pieces of the letters floating off the screen, good night gracie.

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Poster: tree-ap Date: Mar 5, 2007 12:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

1. the "dictator" point WAS just a jab at the moron.
2. I don't remember saying outlaw Islam, but if I did I recant
3. I did't say the war was illegal, just that we went in based on "lies & misrepresentations" of the "truth."

psychotropic rememdies? share the wealth...
And yes, "Say goodnight Gracie."

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Mar 5, 2007 7:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

Word.. and I won't deny Bush is an idiot. I just don't hate him and thought Gore and Kerry were idiots also. Since I did inhale I cannot run myself or I would. I would use the nukes a lot more though. I love the shrooms.

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Poster: another one Date: Mar 3, 2007 3:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

i rarely post in the forum, but i felt i had to say this:
seriously, for the last time, no one cares

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Poster: wineland Date: Mar 3, 2007 4:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

Oh my, what a post you created young jedi. You are braver than most replying. However, from the friends of the forum, please feel free to chime in. We appreciate a rationale Head. Join us for the Grok tonight at 9pmEST:

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Date: March 02, 2007 06:09:52pm
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Poster: smi2les Date: Mar 4, 2007 5:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

yea, Nobody cares !

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Mar 4, 2007 5:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

Brilliant! no one cares about terrorism.. that was a valid and educated statement! At least we can take those tax dollars we are wasting on homeland security and metal detectors at airports and put them into more important things now, load of my mind. The war is over! Did we win?

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Poster: mcglone Date: Mar 4, 2007 5:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

according to that larger than life banner that was draped behing W on 5-2-2003 you did, you did win. "Mission Accomplished" remember?

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Mar 4, 2007 6:10am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

Again, you keep coming back to your talking points and throwing in Iraq... Go ahead there was no WMD's... it was not about oil either. Does anyone play chess? Risk? If you wanting to attack Iran and planned to surround them what countries would you occupy?

Iraq and Afghanistan... You cannot tell me you don't realize we are setting up a classic pincer maneuver. I am not on here talking about bush's photo ops. I am not on here talking about our faults. I am on here talking about CRAZY PEOPLE WHO ARE PREACHING ON ARCHIVE.ORG THAT IS OK TO KILL A KOFAR. YOU ARE A KOFAR, AN INFIDEL, IS THAT OK TO YOU? Answer the question without deflecting it to some other little hot button that will sway people to your side emotionally without any analytical thought about the arguement to which you are part of by your voluntary action of hitting "submit post". This is your chance to answer with a valid point and prove me wrong about these terrorists....

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Poster: mcglone Date: Mar 4, 2007 6:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

The way I see it, for every ‘crazy person’ spewing their particular brand of hate out here, it’s countered by the likes of you, and cosmic rastaman with your ‘bomb them back to the stone age’ philosophy. I don’t understand how you can be so caviler about washing your collective hands when you’re soley responsible for the deaths of 35 000+ civilians. All in the name of what TTG? Ask a shopkeeper or resaurant owner in Baghdad who the terrorists are and chances are they'll point to g.i. joe. You don’t get to sweep Iraq under the rug and chalk it up to ‘my bad’. Show some accountability.

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Mar 4, 2007 7:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

Collateral damage. We roasted tons of Germans, did they deserve it? Did our own POW's in Dresden deserve to burn? How about the "innocent" women and children deserve to burn in Hiroshima? Rhetorical questions that cannot be answered to either of our satisfaction. But, to pull this back on track...

Again, show me how anything "I" have done, that justifies beheading people in the name of GOD...


we are all waiting.



Did we bomb them in the name of GOD?

You sound like you think the world deserves the wrath of these people. That is sad. It is good that you have shown how you actually fee, instead of what you must know somewhere inside.

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Poster: mcglone Date: Mar 4, 2007 7:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

I think when your boy 'W' signs off state of the union adressess with "God" bless America then yes, you did shock and awe ‘them’ in the name of god.

Death is death my man, not sure what your hang up is on beheading? What about the zit faced, apple pie eating kid playing real life video games from 20 000 ft. instead of shouting Allah before doing the deed, he screams Boo-yeah mutha fucker! Two wrongs - right?

Ahhh yes, the collateral damage card. How very tidy. Do keep in mind the war against Germany was a legal one.

I think at this point the only thing we’ll agree on is we’re in full ouroboros mode. I wish you a peaceful Sunday and perhaps we’ll pick it up another time.

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Poster: rastamon Date: Mar 4, 2007 7:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

Underground I say. Just to kill the rats and their nuclear bomb making area's.
Most of the people of Iran actually support the west, but are kept in fear and silence by the Iranian fundimentalist gestapo. Much like the people in Iraq

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Poster: smi2les Date: Mar 4, 2007 7:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

Just think how sophisacated war has become, were only @ casualties less that 10% of Vietnam w/ 6 more years of a 10 year war......so maybe instead of THE DEAD we can go to THE GRATEFUL.....

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Poster: rastamon Date: Mar 4, 2007 6:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

"Ask a shopkeeper or resaurant owner in Baghdad who the terrorists are and chances are they'll point to g.i. joe"

They sure as hell better say that, or else they are dead by instant Jihad. Not many German's in WW2 were bad mouthing Hitler-lol.
Again (and again!) the USA and it's allies need a much firmer policy in dealing with the jihadists.
Anyone...A-N-Y-O-N-E, who hoped Cheney would have been killed last week are mutant-scumbags who give aid and support to terrorism.Period. I fully support and hope for underground Nuclear "testing" in Iran-the sooner the better!

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Poster: rastamon Date: Mar 4, 2007 7:20am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

smi2les-anotherone-mcglone-arthur

Plenty of people care, maybe not in your circle of political tools...In any case, God bless America!

hugs anyone? bye!

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Mar 4, 2007 7:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

Take care dude. I got your back, archive.org is my home page so I see all the posts in all the forums. Wait till my buddies see this and chime in. I hope it doesn't get ugly again. I just made my mom realize that she technically can't be the liberal she claims to be, based on her own beliefs! There is hope. I am all for everyone's right to an opinion, just back it up.

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Poster: smi2les Date: Mar 4, 2007 7:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

Here are the All-Time Top 10 Blonde Inventions!

1) The water-proof towel

2) Solar powered flashlight

3) Submarine screen door

4) A book on how to read

5) Inflatable dart board

6) A dictionary index

7) Ejector seat in a helicopter

8) Powdered water

9) Pedal-powered wheel chair

10) Water-proof tea bag

What great ideas! D'oh!

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Poster: cush11 Date: Mar 4, 2007 10:51am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

Now that was funny :)

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Mar 3, 2007 3:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

If you don't care than you are a fool my friend. I cannot believe this does not bother 90% of the people on here. I take it you are what they call a "Lurker" do you have a light sabre? Now attack me in an anti-rationalistic and juvenile way and get all mad instead of taking 20 seconds and looking at what is the biggest threat to civilazation as we know it. And you know what, I honestly think you are wrong and that a few people do care. More and more are finally noticing the infestation of archive by militant religious extremists who wish us dead... seriously, you would rather make a 4 word comment and dismiss this extremely relavant and deeply implicating facet of the worst part of human nature that is happening in real time as we speak... you have my sympathy and if I was religious, I would pray for you.. then I would strap a bomb on and kill innocent people to screw 72 hot babes.

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Poster: another one Date: Mar 3, 2007 4:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

"More and more are finally noticing the infestation of archive by militant religious extremists who wish us dead"

i just notice YOU infesting the archive with stuff that has nothing to do with the dead

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Poster: bigbossdan Date: Mar 4, 2007 1:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

There are a few ways to think about these links within the archive.

1) They provide a more complete version of the truth than the ultra pasturized crap we are fed through the main stream media

2) I don't speak/read Arabic, so I can't tell if these posts are criticizing or supporting the notion of jihad. It would not be wise to assume they all support the same view.

3) What SDH said in this thread

4) Why should anyone on this forum attempt to engage in debate on these posts with an individual who's contribution to the discussion includes gems such as the following

Reviewer: Telephone Toughguy - - March 3, 2007
Subject: Jitwad

I issue a fartwar.

http://www.archive.org/details/jsalg

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Poster: Chris Freedom Date: Mar 3, 2007 7:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

Hey Telephone Toughguy

I think it is good you labeled your post non-dead which is what I am now doing when I find something non-Dead that I feel moved to share with the Dead community.

I was on the other parts of the archive last night and did notice all the Jihad stuff. Those folks are seriously flipped out! My concern is that like the Cold War we (The WEST) may just be adding fuel to the fire by being so involved in the Middle East. That is just me.

You would probably get a better reception at the Dead part of the forum if you spent some time involved with the Grateful Dead side of things around here.

I understand why you are alarmed by the Islamic fundamentalists even though our politics may be different.
I in no way support the creation of religious states especially those built on the oppression of its followers.
It seems to me all organized religions go through a homocidal faze until the religion itself is ready to integrate into civilized society . I am not sure our military will be able to smoke out the hard core radicals.
Our Troops have a big bull's eye being so forward deployed.

C. Freedom

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Mar 4, 2007 5:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

Wow, a civilized and educated response from someone who may not agree totally. At least conversation and debate still have a chance. Your point is well taken... I am turning off the email notification and stepping out of this forum. If one person looked, then it was worth it. Allahu Akbar.

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Poster: darkstar1964 Date: Mar 4, 2007 10:19am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

hey Telephone Toughguy........i care & i worry..........for my kids!........and for america!.......and we all need to care!!!!!!!. we are all on the same team!!!!!!!!!!thanx TT.

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Poster: Telephone Toughguy Date: Mar 4, 2007 11:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

Thanks... good to hear!

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Poster: smi2les Date: Mar 4, 2007 11:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Non dead

ditto darkstar, most of us are concerned about our freedoms, children, laws, etc.....that's why I'm sticking with Nobody....cause Nobody can dew it all.

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